Senator Obama on This is Not Just a Christian Nation

Senator Obama, This is Not Just a Christian NationThe 25th presidential debate took place at Messiah College, ‘The Compassion Forum’.  Dr. Joel Hunter a Sr. Pastor with 12,000 members asked Hillary Clinton about the upcoming social issues, that she may soon face if elected president.  Those being the Darfur Crisis, Aids, Abortion, Torture – Life and Death issues.                      

  “What are the first principles you’ll fall back on to make such decisions, are there certain activities or references or people with whom you will consult in order to do what is morally right?”  Oh, what a crock!  Although I could tell the Sr. Pastor was impressed with himself in his tone, the pace, his annunciation, his articulation and the delivery of it.  Yep, I’d have to say that he felt honorable to stand up in this public forum – where we should for some strange an odd reason be discussing/debating politics.  It was his moment to hopefully leave there knowingly that he had just added 12,000 more members to his congregation.  And, it was his opportunity to make history by saying to hell with the United States Constitution and that little thing called the First Amendment – separation between church and state.  Let me say though, No Harm No Foul to the good pastor.   

Hillary never answered the question regarding the exact ‘principles’ that she would follow.  She began her response in the same approach & prelude as Dr. Hunter.  It was as if it had been scripted and rehearsed between the two.  I felt like I was watching ‘Who wants to be a Soap Star?’  Her gentle calming tone.  [Clinton is like a bulldog].  HRC admitted those issues are challenging and daunting, she’ll surround herself around others so that she may be exposed to different points of views & opinions.  It was a long drawn out blah blah blah.

One of the most profound things Hillary Clinton stated at the onset about the principles, that she would follow, “I do have a sense of the process which I will try to approach them.”  Okay, you’ve got a sense of it without any exact or precise ‘principles’ that you can cite at this time.  Oh, that’s scarey.  Because, she’s going to pull from the root, the core of her prayers – Ouch!  Hillary was a praying woman when she casted her vote for the war.  Morally right?  Rooted in prayer?  An, answer from the scripture?  Next – enough said.  Religion has no place in politics. 

“If one of your daughters asked you – Daddy did God really create the world in six days what would you say?”  This was a question directed at Senator Barack Obama by Campbell Brown.  I would have loved to have heard the senator respond by saying, “What are you talking about we’re atheists.”  

He proceeded to explain the answer, that he would share with them and of course it didn’t take on a life quite the way I would have preferred it.  Instead, his response was that God created the universe and the 6 days may not be in the space of time as we would know it to be.  It may not be in 24 hour days.  Also, instead of discussing the 80,000 jobs we have just lost I was fortunate enough to learn that he believes in evolution.  Well, that’s a beautiful thing but I’m more concerned with the families in my city who are holding down 2 and 3 jobs just to feed their children.  Evolution – God created the universe in 6 days – no place in politics – separation of church and state.

However, the senator was asked a question that clearly states that we’re in disagreence over this matter.

“Americans believe religion have far too much influence in politics, what do you say to that?” 

He acknowledged that some believe such as I that there should be no discussion of religion in politics, because it’s a violation of church and state, then on the other side of the spectrum are those who believe  separation of church of state shouldn’t exist, period.  Senator Obama believes both extremes are wrong.  Everyone should be able to come to the public square with their faith and religious beliefs, but it needs to be translated in an universal language.  He states all great leaders were able to do this.  You can’t come with the attitude that you’ve got the direct line to God, basically that your religion & faith is the right one and all others are wrong.

This was one of the most profound did you hear him people, that he said:

We are just not a Christian Nation.  We’re a Jewish Nation, We’re a Buddhist Nation, We’re a Muslim Nation, a Hindu Nation, We’re a Nation of Atheists – Nonbelievers.”

  And, it was well received with great applaud.

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  1. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion. It is also the most misunderstood. One in five people across the globe today profess Islam, representing every branch of humanity and every walk of life. What is the attraction? What do Muslims believe? What is Islam all about? To go behind the headlines and beyond the hype, read on …

    Islam is not named after a personality, as is Christianity after Jesus Christ or Buddhism after Buddha, where mortals are deified as man-gods and worshipped alongside or in place or the Creator. Neither is Islam a tribal religion like Hinduism or Judaism (named after the Hindu and Judaic tribes respectively), where salvation is an ethnic birthright and expression of racial supremacy is considered virtuous. Nor does Islam take its name after a political ideology like Marxism or Capitali$m; both of which exploit the poor and vulnerable, rape the Earth of her resources and destroy her environment. ‘Islam’ actually means ‘Submission to the will of Allah (the One True God)’. Anyone who embraces Islam, submitting their will to that of Allah, is a Muslim. ‘Islam’ also implies ‘peace’, ‘security’ and ‘salvation’ – all of which are natural consequences of submitting to God.

    This day, I (Allah) have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and I am pleased with Islam as your religion and way of life. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 3)

    Islam teaches that Allah sent a succession of prophets to every nation to teach them about Him and His Will. However, later generations became heedless and strayed from the Truth, even changing the revelation with them for worldly gain. So Allah sent His last and greatest prophet, Muhammad, as a universal messenger, along with a universal revelation, the The Holy Quran. Muslims hail the The Holy Quran as God’s Final Literal Word to humanity; immutable, incorruptible and confirming the essential truth of all previously revealed scripture.

    O People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our (Final) Messenger (Muhammad) explaining to you much of what you used to hide from the Scripture and pass over. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light and a Clear Book (this The Holy Quran). (The Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 15)

    Hence, while other religions were developed and named by men, Islam is the re-expression of the same religion espoused by all prophets sent throughout the ages to guide humanity. As Allah says in the miraculous The Holy Quran, forever preserved since He revealed it to His Messenger over 1400 years ago:

    Allah has ordained for you the same religion which He ordained for Noah; and that which We have inspired to you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Abraham, Moses and Jesus. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 42, Verse 13)

    As the highest created intelligence, humans are responsible for their actions and will inevitably be held to account for them.

    Every soul shall taste death. And you will be given your dues on the Day of Judgment. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verse 185)

    Our natural urges are not in themselves evil, but need to be expressed within limits so we do not harm ourselves or others.

    If any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong themselves as well as others. (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 2, Verse 229)

    The measure of true faith is obedience to God and is proportional to the balance of one’s deeds: it increases with righteousness and piety, and decreases, or is even nullified, through sin.

    Verily, Allah enjoins justice, goodness and helping (one’s) relatives; and He forbids obscenities, wickedness and all kinds of oppression and extremism. Thus does He admonish you, that you may take heed. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 16, Verse 90)

    The greatest oppression and, if not repented for, the only unforgivable sin, is to worship, directly or indirectly, any person, place or thing besides Allah. This is because every soul was created with the purpose and inclination to worship its Creator alone, in awe and loving gratitude, and towards good in general.

    You (who disbelieve) worship besides Him nothing but names which you and your ancestors have forged (and) for which Allah has sent down no authority. Verily, the command is for none but Allah – He has commanded that you worship none but Him. That is the upright religion, but most people do not know. (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 12, Verse 40)

    So to embrace Islam is to simply revert back to that innocent and natural state of submission to the Creator, Allah. And to affirm that He is One, distinct from and transcendent above His Creation, having neither peer nor partner, neither rival nor relative, is to acknowledge His mastery over the universe and His unique rights over its inhabitants.

    Let there be no compulsion in the religion. The right path is distinctly clear from the wrong. So whosoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah: then such have grasped a firm handhold that never breaks. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 256)

    Life’s test then is to recognize the Truth of the Creator, to lovingly accept His noble purpose for us, and to act upon that; striving as best we can to worship Him alone and serve Him sincerely.

    And they were not commanded except that they should worship Allah (alone), being sincere to the upright religion (of Islam). (The Holy Quran, Chapter 98, Verse 5)

    Thus, in Islam, salvation is universally attainable and not confined to any people, place or time. Eternal happiness is not obstructed by notions of reincarnation, blind leaps of faith, or the meditation of priests or so-called holy men. Those who deny their Lord, work evil and are unrepentant, will enter Hell: a place of real pain and suffering meant to dissuade man from wrong-doing.

    And it will be said to the wrong-doers (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘Taste (you now, the consequences of) what you used to earn!’ (The Holy Quran, Chapter 39, Verse 24)

    And for the righteous, Paradise: a place of unimaginable physical beauty and perfection, full of every conceivable (and inconceivable) delight to satisfy all our wholesome desires.

    Beautified for men is the love of things they covet: women, children, hoards of gold and silver, branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. Such is the pleasure of the present life; but with Allah is the excellent return (to Paradise). (The Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verse 14)

    Part if the Muslims’ Islamic duty is to work for the betterment of the society within which they live. Muslims are expected to positively affect their surroundings by exhibiting good manners and conducting themselves honourably. Indeed fairness, compassion, gentleness, leniency, truthfulness, moderation, forbearance, humility and neighbourly concern are all cornerstones of the true Islamic character. From the many traditions of the Prophet illustrating this are his sayings:

    ‘Forgive the one who wrongs you; join the one who cuts you off; do good to the one who does evil to you; and speak the truth, even if it be against yourself.’

    ‘None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.’

    ‘Allah does not judge you by your physiques and appearances, but rather He looks into your hearts and observes your deeds.’

    ‘Give glad tidings and do not cause others to flee. Facilitate people and do not make things difficult for them.’

    ‘Show mercy to those on earth, (and) the One in Heaven will show mercy to you.’

    ‘Truly, Allah is kind and gentle, (and) loves kindness and gentleness (from others).’

    ‘Whoever eats his fill while his neighbour goes hungry is not a true believer.’

    ‘Whoever does not thank the people, does not thank Allah.’

    And do not turn your face away from people with pride, nor walk upon the earth with insolence in your stride. Verily, Allah dislikes every arrogant boaster. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 31, Verse 18)

    The basic building block of any society is the family unit. Here again, Islam lays down comprehensive morals, enjoining, amongst other virtuous deeds, parental responsibility and a child’s reciprocal dutifulness to its parents.

    And treat your parents with kindness. If one or both of them attain old age in your care, never say to them a word (suggesting) disgust, nor reproach them, but address them with reverent speech. And humble yourself out of mercy before them, and pray: ‘My Lord! Be merciful to them for having cared for me in my childhood.’ (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 17, Verses 23-24)

    With such texts, Islam has laid down a solid ethical basis to guide a Muslim’s daily interactions with the material world.

    The basis of Muslim spiritual life are the Five Pillars of Islam:

    1.

    The Witnessing of Faith (shahada) – To bear witness that ‘None is worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger,’ freely and sincerely, affirms a person’s faith in Islam. That faith is then evidenced with one’s limbs by serving and worshipping Allah in the way of His Messenger.

    Allah bears witness that none is worthy of worship but He, as do the angels and those with knowledge. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verse 18)

    2.

    Prayer (salah) – Muslims perform five daily ritual prayers. The prayer ensures that throughout the rhythm of the day – at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, dusk and nightfall – direct link is maintained between the Believer and God. The prayer takes only a few minutes to perform and engages the mind, body and soul of the worshippers as they stand, bow kneel and prostrate before their Lord whilst glorifying and praising Him and asking His pardon, forgiveness and guidance. As Islam has no hierarchy or priesthood, any worthy Muslim nominated by his congregation can lead them in prayer.

    O you who believe! Seek help in patience and prayer. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 153)

    3.

    Alms-giving (zakah) – Islam teaches that everything belongs to Allah and wealth is held in trust by humans. Zakah means ‘purity’ and one’s capital savings are purified by setting aside around one fortieth for those in need. This charitable redistribution of wealth effectively eradicated poverty in early Islamic society and, given the opportunity, could do so again.

    And such of you as believe and spend (in Allah’s Way), theirs will be a great reward.(The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 57, Verse 7)

    4.

    Fasting (sawm) – Each year, during the Islamic lunar month of Ramadan, Muslims abstain from food, drink and sexual relations from dawn till dusk. Fasting teaches self-restraint and God-consciousness. It also helps Muslims improve their health and empathise with those less fortunate.

    O you who believe! Fasting has been prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become pious. (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 2, Verse 183)

    5.

    Pilgrimage (Hajj) – Pilgrimage to the K’aba in Mecca is an obligation for those who are physically and financially able. Clad in simple garments that strip away all social distinctions, millions gather in Mecca to perform Hajj rites that go back to Prophet Abraham. The pilgrims return home with their spirits high, their lives refocused, their faith rejuvenated and strengthened, and their past sins forgiven.

    And Hajj to the House (K’aba) is a duty that mankind owes to Allah – those who are able. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verse 97)

    Worship in Islam is, in fact, any deed, word or feeling that is loved by God. The worshipper draws even closer to Allah by pursuing divine knowledge and applying it; following the inspired example, or Sunna, of the Prophet throughout.

    Say (O Muhammad): ‘If you love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.’ (The Holy Quran, Chapter 3, Verse 31)

    Obsessing over the highs and lows of this life causes a person to fluctuate between moments of ecstasy and despair, turning them to false gods, drugs and alcohol, and even suicide for release. But the believing Muslim is the one who remains firm, patient, grateful and hopeful in times of both joy and sadness; conscious all the while of God’s presence, and of the transient nature of this present life.

    This present life is like the water We send down from the clouds so that the luxuriant herbage sustaining man and beast may grow; until when the Earth adorns it garments and is beautified, and its people believe they are the masters. Down then comes Our scourge upon it by night or in broad day, laying it waste as though it had not flourished the day before. Thus We make plain Our Signs to a thoughtful people.

    (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 10, Verse 24-25)

    This then is a glimpse into Islam, the true Religion of God. Not just a religion, but a truly complete way of life in which the relation of the individual to society and the material to spiritual are balanced in perfect harmony. Islam is simple, rational and practical. For truth seekers of every background, it offers certainty and security of faith – unlike other religions that have to change to stay relevant, to suit popular culture, or are otherwise subject to the designs of man. Thus, only through the guidance of Islam, the The Holy Quran and the Sunna, can humanity be saved today, and till the End of Days.

    Righteousness is not that you turn your faces to the east and the west. But righteousness is the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Scripture and the Prophets; who gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the wayfarer, to those who ask, and to set slaves free. And (righteousness are) those who pray, pay alms, honour their agreements, and are patient during conflict. Such are the people of truth. And they are the God-Fearing. (The Holy Quran, Chapter 2, Verse 177)

    In short, this is an invitation

    To leave the worship of creation, for worship of the Creator, From the narrowness of this world, to its vastness and the vastness of the world to come, & from the tyranny of man, to the justice of Islam

  2. Well, I thank you for the invite. I sensed it was heartfelt. I read your words from top to bottom and bottom to the top.

    I’ve come to discover, that no matter what faith or religion that we follow basically we are embracing the same very ‘core’ belief.

    But, like Senator Obama stated moments before he made it clear to us, this was not just a Christian Nation – We get so bogged down.

    So bogged down in the definition, your interpretation vs my interpretation and neither one of us knows whose right. We fight each other just to prove. But, if people wouldn’t do this everyone could really see, that we are not that different. Not that different in the very ‘core’ belief of things.

    I don’t do organize religion any more it’s too busy trying to prove ‘one absolute truth’. Organized religion gives people a free pass in the name of to judge hate destroy kill stifle bomb start wars and [no disrespect] Islam is no different. Christianity is the same they pray before they go murder – nations countries continents. Yet, it’s all okay, becuz it’s contained in those scriptures.

    There are good stewards & warriors thru out each denomination/religion/faith. And there are some bad.

    What might shock you – maybe so – maybe not. Is that I have found purer hearts, kinder hearts from those who are professed Atheists – Unbelievers. Have you ever read an Atheists’ prayer? It would shock you. Too bad many don’t pray like that.

    If there is a God and I believe there is -IF- they don’t know him, well he sure knows them and he loves them – no doubt.

    Should I say, God bless you or may your Allah continue to bless you. Any which way, I’m sure that you feel my heartfelt wish for you.

    Go Well, Be Well & Come Back and Hang Out,

  3. audralunar

    I wonder what the fall out will he have to face from those remarks?

  4. i really like what obama said. we are a nation full of every kind of people. i know he isnt an atheist, but it is nice to see that he recognizes that there are other belief systems out there. i think it would do the country a world of good to have an atheist or agnostic president. there is a separation of church and state, so why does the religious practices of the elected officials even matter? thanks also for your comment on my blog. i will definitely be back to visit yours!

  5. Hey Atheist Girl – Welcome!

    When Senator Obama said it you could tell that he wanted it to resonate, do you hear me loud and clear people, and he didn’t seem as if he was looking for an argument.

    It would do this world alot of good to have an atheist – muslim – black – latino – hispanic – woman – transgendered – something else other than the color and gender of presidents that we’ve had through out history.

    It is seriously time for a change you feel me!

    Talk at ya later, new friend.

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